Thoughts on the '05 show

[gtphelps]

Overall another great show!!!Bravo!!

My club had a blast this year at Carlisle. We were able to call ahead and reserve a spot to park together. We had a great spot and loads of fun. One of our members even took second in the bikini contest. Our biggest complaint was the idea that internet forums are considered clubs. They are not clubs, all that is required to be a member is to register on the site. They are just like this forum. Our club is a true club in the meaning of clubs we pick members by quality of the person and the ride. There is no way we can compete with these forums for the club participation award. I ask that it be looked into so maybe it can be split up in the future. Being that the forums can compete against other forums and clubs against clubs.

Please don't look at this letter as just a complaint, we had a great time. The enertainment was great, the food was great, the trucks were great. Everything was great. We were so greatful that we made sure to leave our spot cleaner then when we found it. We even cleaned up the clubs spot next to us after they were kicked out by the security guards. We will be returning in '06 with hopefully twice as many trucks as this year. I was only able to bring about 15 this year.


But again Thank you for a great show!!

[F-150 Ram Air]

Internet forums are not considered as clubs? Well, in a way your right. But, we're not you typical internet Site, nor forum. We talk as a group, but interact as a club. There are chapters all thru the United States, including Canada. WE have DAILY GTG's, an meets for all kinda of various functions. Whether it be the ATN's, Toys for Tot's, Christmas Partys, or just your ole run of the mill BBQ. Where else can you get 5 states of members together, to have a christmas party? Here at FTW! Where else can you travel from point A to point B, thru 7 states. An be able to stop in any one of those 7 states, if not all. An stop by to see a friend? Here at FTW! Should I go on? I have plenty more! We are not a bunch of members that work for the "Geek Squad". :D We come out from behind our computers, an have GTG's all the time. These are not 1 time things. These are all time things. We do this all the time.
You talk about quality of person an the ride. WHAT? You mean to tell me, if I have slight "Body Odor", an you don't like the color of my truck. I not allowed to be a member. That's were your wrong. ALL are welcomed here. We don't care what color or race you are. Just that you have & own a Ford Truck. Yes, as chapter, we all have our own rules. Which are pretty much the same. But, OUR biggest gripe is ACTIVITY! We want you to be active, an make GTG's. Yes, we are a CLUB! An a damn proud one at that! I can guarantee, NOBODY has what we have! An all of this for FREE! Which we all share the same common interest, an values. Ford Trucks, Friendships, an even Marriage! That's right! Even marriage! I know of three couple that have hooked up from here. By meeting at each other at GTG's. Staying in touch. An by making the next critical moves. An only one of those couples were from the same state. Funny isn't it?
So , let's stop crying about the award. An worry about what's real to us. Friendships! Keep worrying about a person & there ride. An you'll keep coming in second to US!

[gtphelps]

I will admit your #'s are strong and you do have GTG's. I am a member of FSC.com and GMFS.com. My wife has even signed up with FTW, because she drives a mountaineer. But forums are not clubs, true to the word. It only takes registering with a web site to be called a member. Truck or no truck. To become a member of our club you have to prospect, show dedication and a quality ride. So yes, things like body odor and a poorly built ride would disqualify you if the chapter president saw fit. Try to petition any of the major clubs out there like Severed ties, Acrophobia, Negative Camber,etc. with a stock ride and watch the response. We also have had members who have met and fell in love. That's life not the work of a forum. I am not doubting your strength as a group, but in the true definition of the word club it is not the same. I could easily pretend to join FTW and never have a truck. I know members on FSC who don't have a truck at all. Yes, they are treated like family and called a member, but they are still not a club. No person will ever be givin a logo in my club without being voted on and their vehicle judged by us. I am not crying, but I do feel that we should be judged on seperate fields just like my GMC and your Ford.

[FordGirl]

It's unfortunate that you feel the way you do regarding the meaning of a "club".

Let's look at websters definition of club:
club[1]
(noun) : an association of persons for some common object usually jointly supported and meeting periodically; also : a group identified by some common characteristic

Just because your particular club as well as many others choose their members based on show vehicles, not all clubs are formed that way. It's all about sharing a common interest. What does your club do that ours (FTW) does not? We have regular meetings, attend shows, help eachother out when needed.

Perhaps if your guidelines to become a member were not so strict you would have more members, a better club and wouldn't be whining about being beat by another one.

[gtphelps]

Our club is one of the most well known clubs in the world. We have chapters as far as Australlia. We have members who are signed up with FTW. Are you to say we should drop our standards that our club was built on? That's like saying you should extend your standards to include Dodge and Chevy so you can have more members. Our motto is in my sig. "A Club, A family, A way of life period." We are all about the member comes first. But we still pick and choose people only after meeting them face to face.

I am in charge of the entire N.E. part of the country for our club. I give chapters to prospect presidents only after meeting them and there prospect members. Most recently a chapter in MD, who had prospected for at least 6 months.

The pot shot about being a better club is absurd. Our name is right up there with Severed Ties, Acrophobia, Negative Camber, all the other big names. I know there are members on FTW who are members of some of these most respected clubs in the sport. I challenge you to ask them where there loyalty lies. And again, I am not whinning. I feel we should compete on different fields. An award for forums, and an award for clubs.

[bodydropped]

im with george on this subject im a member of vc and yes i did go to carlisle this year i have never been but i was talked in to comin up there i didnt show but i was there with my club VC i been to heatwave alot and 3 years ago ftw won club participation but they had it setup were ppl there at the show could register and bam ur a member without them seein ur ride i respect forums because they can help ppl alot but when it comes to a show that a hole different ball game i can see havin members there at the show but were they sportin logos? like any other clubs that go to shows but most shows dont allow internet forums to enter club particapation but i rather see a club that busted there butts gettin ppl together to come and have fun get the award but thats my $.02's

[egiblock]

I believe that the Best Club Participation should not be judged on the number of truck/cars/whatever they had register for the show be it fun field or competition, it should be based on the number of vehicled in the JUDGED competition..

If you have a "club" or however you define it show up with 40 vehicles at a show just to sit there and look good, then good for you. However if you show up with 20 vehicles that all get JUDGED then that club with 20 should get the best club participation award.

Anyone can buy a car, wash it, park it. It takes something else to mod it and customize it, keep it clean through all that, and then display it against all others...

Just my 2 cents. Don't bash me on here for what i have to say, come to me and say it to my face.

[gtphelps]

I just went onto FTW, and all I have to say is WOW!. You showed no respect to others. Even some of your members were leaning towards my point of view. When I posted a link on our clubs forum, I asked guys to be respectful. Since that is OUR way. We respect all others in this sport. But from what you have posted on your forum, it is hard to remain civil. But for a group that "welcomes all with open arms" that was completely disrespectful, to the point where I will not quote it here.

[FordGirl]

This is going to be like beating a dead horse. Obviously neither side is going to see eye to eye on this.

For the record, at Big Show this year, we (FTW) took Club Participation award as well as Club Points Battle, meaning out of all of our trucks showing we accumulated the highest amounts of points. Hmmmmm not so bad for the family grocery getters is it?

[555]

I'm coming up with my myspace.com crew next year. Better watch out FTW. lol

[gtphelps]

I'm coming up with my myspace.com crew next year. Better watch out FTW. lol




Kev, your a dork! :D

[27 CAR CARE]

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[F-150 Ram Air]

Do you or don't you have a website like FTW? Yes, you do! SOOO! What makes YOU & YOUR CLUB, that MORE special or DIFFERENT then OURS? Your standards of being a member are abit more strict? Believe me, WE are well known over the world also. All 50 states, including Canada, Germany, an the UK! The only difference I see is our noses are pointed to the normal people. Stock to radicals rides. Not where the air is thin, an who's stink & rides matters. Not everybody can afford to have a "Quality Ride" as you would say. Just happy to be able to afford one, an be part of something. To be part of something, an NOT to have to worry about what others think, is what makes US so special.
Our motto is in my sig. "A Club, A family, A way of life period." We are all about the member comes first. But we still pick and choose people only after meeting them face to face

Pick & Choose? "A Club, A Family, A way of life"? You still haven't proven squat to me. Your NO different then we are. An YES, you are whining. Or you would have NEVER even posted this!
MY MOTTO! "Shut up, Get in HERE, AN HAVE FREAKING FUN! Who cares what quality of vehicle you have, an if you STINK! It's all about have fun. I believe a part you don't understand. Whaaa, he doesn't have a baseball mit. He CAN NOT be on my team! Whaaaa, he's not 6' 5", he CAN NOT be on my team! Whaaaaa, he's not 200 some pounds. He CAN NOT play on my team! Whaaaaa, his/her truck doesn't have 50 million mods, or the color isn't right, or doesn't look like he/she drove thru Pep Boys with a magnet! Get a grip! An relax. Just remember! There's a new Sheriff in town. An we go FTW!

[gtphelps]

No my old job helped make this country so special. See my avatar. You not the new sherriff, FTW ( a forum) has won for at least 2 years now. Yes, we do have a forum. I said When I posted a link on our clubs forum . Our forum is for our members to stay in touch. You can't even see 90% of our forum though because they are restricted to members only.


I can't understand why you guys are so worried. Carlisle won't change the way they do things. They are motivated by money (which is the american way), and if they dropped forums out of the running for the club award half your members wouldn't show up or register for the show. That would cost them tons of money. Which is why I suggested to split the class.

Man, you guys have no respect for anyone do ya? Like the picture that was posted it is stupid to argue on the web. Which is why I refuse to sink to the lower standards of FTW and bash people over the web. Just like our Ohio pres. Eric said, "say it to my face". That is because we are based on flesh and blood. We started out as flesh and blood, and will remain that way. The internet for us is a tool we use to keep in touch with members who may be overseas or too far to see on a regular basis.

[F-150 Ram Air]

We'll be there again next year. An you can say all you want the disrespectful thing. Your the one who brought it up, an quite frankly STILL haven't proven to me the difference between you & ours! If you call members sticking up for there club. an what is right, disrespectful. So be it! I defend what I think is right, an what is BUll! An I believe this is bull. An whether it's on here or to your face, much doesn't bother me. Cause I'd tell ya the same thing standing in front off ya, as I did here! Would I be looking to get into a fist fight? No, not really. But, I won't back down. I'd be defending my piece as you's would be.

[bodydropped]

well im thinkin of showin my hybrid there a gmc with a ford logo and i will join ftw and see if i can get in the "club" o wait its a fourm n/m then i think ill stick with my club of "real" people they dont have a keyboard in there hand 24/7

[bodydropped]

I'm coming up with my myspace.com crew next year. Better watch out FTW. lol
im a member of that "forum" so that makes them a club know just wait till aol and streetsouce.com gets involved ftw will be likd dang they got alot of ppl

[555]

We'll be there again next year. An you can say all you want the disrespectful thing. Your the one who brought it up, an quite frankly STILL haven't proven to me the difference between you & ours! If you call members sticking up for there club. an what is right, disrespectful. So be it! I defend what I think is right, an what is BUll! An I believe this is bull. An whether it's on here or to your face, much doesn't bother me. Cause I'd tell ya the same thing standing in front off ya, as I did here! Would I be looking to get into a fist fight? No, not really. But, I won't back down. I'd be defending my piece as you's would be.

Please learn english. I think it was quite clear that website forum=not a club, but is a tool for members of said club to keep in touch, much like a telephone. Does that mean I can register my club as MCI or AT&T? No i didn't think so. I am pretty retarded but even I know the diffrence between a website and a club.

[DrPaul84]

i dont understand what you guys dont understand, we arnt just a "forum" its not like we go online and have a meet online , we all meet up have fun party go to shows hang out an do stuff together, much of all is the same exact thing you guys do...so i dont see how we are not a club and you are...we do the same exact stuff, but we use our forum as our main form of communication and getting to know people...its not like you just show up online an are a member , you have to get approved to join the chapter and their is requirments...it may not be as strict as your club (which ive never heard of but ive been in the car show scene for the past 6 years) so maybe im just failing to see what makes your car club more of a club then ours...someone please explain that to me please...
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[bodydropped]

if its ftw then why are there chevys in the pic and dodges but hate to tell yall that i just became the newest ftw texas member with a pinto on twinkies

[555]

I was also unaware rustangs were considered trucks as well. Huh, go figure.

[FordGirl]

Are you trying to imply that in your club, it's best if you don't show up for a function at all if for some reason your truck is down versus arriving in another vehicle?

[DrPaul84]

umm because friends of members also came and someone who used to have a truck has the stang now...wow i just realized your a DOUCHE BAG

[555]

Good use of colorful language, in any case so from what I am seeing, you have changed the rules upon what your club was founded on? So everyone basically is welcome to be in Ford truck world?

[bodydropped]

Good use of colorful language, in any case so from what I am seeing, you have changed the rules upon what your club was founded on? So everyone basically is welcome to be in Ford truck world?
i so agree with u that if they can have cars and trucks of other makes and models then there a fourm still

[DrPaul84]

are you blind? cant read? they arnt members of FTW, they are friends of members, we arnt assholes like you we dont have this list of VIP that are allowed to come hang out and have a good time...its obvious that if the rest of the members of this great club of yours act like you , then i can see why your all whining like a bunch of bitches, you only want the best of the best and if your not up to your par or sucking the right dick, you dont want them around...

[DrPaul84]

so when this club of yours meets up, is their a bouncer there? in case someone who isnt on the VIP list comes you kick em out? is hitler waiting there just incase you bring a friend along? throws you and your friend out and you are banished from the country or something?

[bodydropped]

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[555]

Well its clear to me you used your education or lack there of for good use of name calling which I havent seen one of our members do. U still didn't answer the ?, I asked politely a few posts above being, can every one join FTW.com and be a part of your club? So.... say I had a subaru wrx and wanted to join. Could I?

[egiblock]

We'll be there again next year. An you can say all you want the disrespectful thing. Your the one who brought it up, an quite frankly STILL haven't proven to me the difference between you & ours! If you call members sticking up for there club. an what is right, disrespectful. So be it! I defend what I think is right, an what is BUll! An I believe this is bull. An whether it's on here or to your face, much doesn't bother me. Cause I'd tell ya the same thing standing in front off ya, as I did here! Would I be looking to get into a fist fight? No, not really. But, I won't back down. I'd be defending my piece as you's would be.




How many trucks did FTW have registered as part of the club ?
How many trucks did FTW have go through the judging lanes and get judged ?

[egiblock]

are you blind? cant read? they arnt members of FTW, they are friends of members, we arnt assholes like you we dont have this list of VIP that are allowed to come hang out and have a good time....


we had to other clubs/groups/whateverthe**** join us at all-truck this year. just friends we met at the hotels....

[bodydropped]

Originally Posted by F-150 Ram Air
We'll be there again next year. An you can say all you want the disrespectful thing. Your the one who brought it up, an quite frankly STILL haven't proven to me the difference between you & ours! If you call members sticking up for there club. an what is right, disrespectful. So be it! I defend what I think is right, an what is BUll! An I believe this is bull. An whether it's on here or to your face, much doesn't bother me. Cause I'd tell ya the same thing standing in front off ya, as I did here! Would I be looking to get into a fist fight? No, not really. But, I won't back down. I'd be defending my piece as you's would be.
hes just jealous that my hybrid beat him and made a mag photo shoot

[DrPaul84]

Well its clear to me you used your education or lack there of for good use of name calling which I havent seen one of our members do. U still didn't answer the ?, I asked politely a few posts above being, can every one join FTW.com and be a part of your club? So.... say I had a subaru wrx and wanted to join. Could I?

just because you sign up on the website doesnt mean your part of a chapter and to sign up to a chapter each chapter has their own rules...we dont just accept someone who signs up that day to the chapter and if its a troll its not like the troll is going to be coming to shows, he signed up for whatever reason.....obviously if he joins an meets the requierments to be in the chapter, its for a reason, we meet up have our gtg's and do all the stuff you guys do, i dont see why you guys are crying about it....if i have a friend with lets say a subaru...he is interested in trucks...wants to come to a meet, ill ask the guys if its alright if i bring a friend along to a meet...they will say sure, cause we are friendly...so my friend comes along enjoys the day see's some rides... does that make him part of the club?? no he was a guest thats about it...

[gtphelps]

so when this club of yours meets up, is their a bouncer there? in case someone who isnt on the VIP list comes you kick em out? is hitler waiting there just incase you bring a friend along? throws you and your friend out and you are banished from the country or something?


I know when I have get together's they are usually at my house. Good luck to any soul who thinks he's gonna crash that party. And other times we meet up at shows ( this is besides hanging out with each other all the time for no reason). When at shows ie. Carlisle we had a section roped off and reserved for just VC. Would I have let just anyone park there....NO. Did I offer some room to 3 guys from Jersey who got shafted to a really crummy spot...YES.

Paul you are missing the whole original point to this thread. I would like to extend a big thank you to the FTW member who e-mailed me to discuss this off of here before the point got buried. She was very civil and I respect that alot. I welcome all who can do the same to contact me through e-mail. I will even send you my # so we can talk on the phone without distractions or e-thugs.

[gtphelps]

just because you sign up on the website doesnt mean your part of a chapter and to sign up to a chapter each chapter has their own rules...we dont just accept someone who signs up that day to the chapter and if its a troll its not like the troll is going to be coming to shows, he signed up for whatever reason.....obviously if he joins an meets the requierments to be in the chapter, its for a reason, we meet up have our gtg's and do all the stuff you guys do, i dont see why you guys are crying about it....if i have a friend with lets say a subaru...he is interested in trucks...wants to come to a meet, ill ask the guys if its alright if i bring a friend along to a meet...they will say sure, cause we are friendly...so my friend comes along enjoys the day see's some rides... does that make him part of the club?? no he was a guest thats about it...


Now I saw it posted on FTW that each chapter is run differently. If that is true shouldn't each chapter register individually?

[bodydropped]

I know when I have get together's they are usually at my house. Good luck to any soul who thinks he's gonna crash that party. And other times we meet up at shows ( this is besides hanging out with each other all the time for no reason). When at shows ie. Carlisle we had a section roped off and reserved for just VC. Would I have let just anyone park there....NO. Did I offer some room to 3 guys from Jersey who got shafted to a really crummy spot...YES.

Paul you are missing the whole original point to this thread. I would like to extend a big thank you to the FTW member who e-mailed me to discuss this off of here before the point got buried. She was very civil and I respect that alot. I welcome all who can do the same to contact me through e-mail. I will even send you my # so we can talk on the phone without distractions or e-thugs.
no e-gansters (thanks J.P )

[vceastonprez]

I am also a VC member. The point we are trying to make is that a true club started from scratch can not compete with a forum based club or whatever you consider yourselves. We are not crying we just strongly believe that there is a difference in they way members can join and they way the are run. We believe that you should be able to recieve an award but forum based clubs like ftw should have a different award than clubs like VC, Negative Camber, and Severed Ties that are built from the ground up by meeting people face to face not a website.

[DrPaul84]

Now I saw it posted on FTW that each chapter is run differently. If that is true shouldn't each chapter register individually?

they may be run differently but thats just because its such a wide variety of people and different things goin on, we have had many meets that include multiple states meeting up ....ny nj pa ct ma md, i suppose thats why ftw registers as a whole

[555]

I am also a VC member. The point we are trying to make is that a true club started from scratch can not compete with a forum based club or whatever you consider yourselves. We are not crying we just strongly believe that there is a difference in they way members can join and they way the are run. We believe that you should be able to recieve an award but forum based clubs like ftw should have a different award than clubs like VC, Negative Camber, and Severed Ties that are built from the ground up by meeting people face to face not a website.
^What he said

[gtphelps]

they may be run differently but thats just because its such a wide variety of people and different things goin on, we have had many meets that include multiple states meeting up ....ny nj pa ct ma md, i suppose thats why ftw registers as a whole



Thats easily understood. Do you guys have by-laws as a whole though or is it up to each chapter to set there own?

[dawgs150]

This is sad. We have two groups of truck enthusiasts who should be recognizing the accomplishments they each have made instead of trying to find ways to defend their ideals. Does Carlisle need to change the way they award club participation? Everyone has an opinion, but we all have to go with how it is. A truck club can and does mean different things to different people. FTW is a forum based club, I will admit, but from that forum I have made lifelong friends. People that I see face to face on a regular basis. I have lowered my truck a bit and have had some custom graphics but I am sure that my truck doesn’t meet the exacting standards of most truck clubs. But that’s ok, because my truck is based on what I want. When I was the Delaware Chapter president of FTW, I stressed a “FAMILY” commitment to our members. You mentioned family as well, so let me tell you about mine. My FTW family has cried for lost members. We have donated boxes and boxes of goods to be sent to our service men and women overseas. I have had members that lived over 1000 miles away arrange home care for my mom when she was battling cancer. People I had never met, face to face but felt strongly enough to trust them. Now our family might be different than yours, and might have different “standards” than yours but we are a family none the less. Albeit, at times we do seem dysfunctional.
I am sure your club / family does many of the same things I have mentioned, and I commend you on that. I also commend you on your clubs standards and achievements, I just ask that you respect ours. I might also add, while I understand the reasoning behind your membership criteria, I must add that there are a lot of great people that you are missing out on because their truck didn’t meet YOUR standards.

I am truly sorry, if I have offended anyone.

[gtphelps]

This is sad. We have two groups of truck enthusiasts who should be recognizing the accomplishments they each have made instead of trying to find ways to defend their ideals. Does Carlisle need to change the way they award club participation? Everyone has an opinion, but we all have to go with how it is. A truck club can and does mean different things to different people. FTW is a forum based club, I will admit, but from that forum I have made lifelong friends. People that I see face to face on a regular basis. I have lowered my truck a bit and have had some custom graphics but I am sure that my truck doesn’t meet the exacting standards of most truck clubs. But that’s ok, because my truck is based on what I want. When I was the Delaware Chapter president of FTW, I stressed a “FAMILY” commitment to our members. You mentioned family as well, so let me tell you about mine. My FTW family has cried for lost members. We have donated boxes and boxes of goods to be sent to our service men and women overseas. I have had members that lived over 1000 miles away arrange home care for my mom when she was battling cancer. People I had never met, face to face but felt strongly enough to trust them. Now our family might be different than yours, and might have different “standards” than yours but we are a family none the less. Albeit, at times we do seem dysfunctional.
I am sure your club / family does many of the same things I have mentioned, and I commend you on that. I also commend you on your clubs standards and achievements, I just ask that you respect ours. I might also add, while I understand the reasoning behind your membership criteria, I must add that there are a lot of great people that you are missing out on because their truck didn’t meet YOUR standards.

I am truly sorry, if I have offended anyone.


I agree, and unfortunately my point was lost. Your truck may be beatiful even to me. Our standards may be higher, scratch that I know they are. Does that make us better....NO!! We are all in the same sport. We do have different meanings of the word "club". I do think we should be able to compete on different playing fields. To each there own. Carlisle won't change the way they do things, and who can blame them, they stand to lose money if they do. I stress to all my chapter pres. to respect other clubs no matter the size or standards they have. And to any that don't be prepared for an unpleasant visit from me.

[F-150 Ram Air]

The reason being for all the makes & models you see. Are people from different clubs! Ford, Dodge & Chevy Trucks! Plus one from the Mustang Club. We all got together form our respective clubs, to have a Breakfast GTG. Which went flawlessly, I should add. It was good to see the old faces, as well as the new ones. I not one to tell someone they can't come, cause there ride isn't quite up to par. Yes, I think I have a VERY NICE ride. But, does that mean because one's ride isn't as nice as mine isn't allowed? NO! That's just plain ignorant! I'm not a class bully! I'm the one who will stand up to the class bully, for picking on someone cause they're "DIFFERENT"! Ever been somewhere or felt like you didn't fit in? How did it feel? Not too good I would imagine. That's not me. I treat everyone equal! If you learned anything about being an American. You should at least learned that! Some weren't born with the silver spoon in there mouth. Some are just making it. But, that doesn't change on how that person is, or how they feel about there ride. I don't judge a person on how many mods or how nice there ride is. It starts with the person. They could have a VERY NICE ride, but be a azz. OR they could have a ride as stock as it comes, an be one of the nicest people on the earth. Which one would you rather have? I think I know the answer!
I do respect your actions to a point. But, we are who we are. An we are a club. No matter what you say or think. Yes, we talk to each other on the forums. But, that is our main form of communications. Hell, I got phone #'s of members from NY, to FL. all the way over to Cali. & Hawaii, that I talk to on the phone. An alot of us have Nextel's that we two way each other, an bust balls. Saying hey what's up. Plus the meets that we do. Holy chit, the meets we have would make her head spin. I think what upsets us the most, is that you guys mainly think we don't do anything but have one big meet a year. An talk the rest on the forums. Just not so.

[FordGirl]

If Carlisle was to change the way the club participation awards were based on, I can't see where they would lose money either way. FTW members would still show up just the same as we have for the past several years. Our main reason for registering under a club is to have a specific are roped off and reserved for us along with the use of their large tents for the weekend so they we can all be parked together and meet fellow members in other chapters present.

[gtphelps]

I treat everyone equal! If you learned anything about being an American. You should at least learned that! Some weren't born with the silver spoon in there mouth.!



You barkin up the wrong tree with those lines. I will again direct you to my avatar. If you don't know what that is I will explain it for you. It shows 5 years of service to protecting all those things you preach about. As far as a silver spoon, not sure where that comes from or why you think that. My truck was built from a daily driver that was bone stock. All the work being done by me and my friends. It was still a daily for a while even after the hydro's were put on. It has only been retired from that role in the last year, only because I was given a company truck. Read my profile, I am an Iron worker, don't know about you but I have never met an iron worker with a silver spoon. I work, my wife works, and I run a shop on the side building rides for people, where I do more free work for people who can't afford a big name shop.



*edit* I see you edited your post from when I responded to it. But hell I can't even afford a nextel. I'm stuck with Verizon.
And if it wouldn't affect FTW's turn out then why the argument? You guys would still beat all of the others you competed against.

[FordGirl]

So....... Did everyone enjoy themselves at this years show?

[F-150 Ram Air]

I wasn't pointing you out! It was just a general statement. I drive a tractor-trailer. Mine too also was bone stock. Was built up the way it is now by me. I also pull a trailer with it with 4 quads on the back. Plus a 12 ft duck boat that I use for duck hunting. Plus , it's my daily driver. Your truck is not in question here. I would never say anything about a persons ride. Just who cares if it's stock or not.

[27 CAR CARE]

MR.pride honor and respect please contact me i'm not good with the typing b/s and i feel this has gone to far 732-297-3376 i'll be in 8am till 6pm everyday but sunday ask for joe


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[gtphelps]

MR.pride honor and respect please contact me i'm not good with the typing b/s and i feel this has gone to far 732-297-3376 i'll be in 8am till 6pm everyday but sunday ask for joe


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I will try tomorrow during those hours, if you mean me. The name is George just for refrence. I was able to talk to Sherri for like 2 hours today. You guys are lucky to have her over at FTW. She is the kind of person we look for in VC. Especially for chapter presidents. And she has an awesome truck.

[27 CAR CARE]

george you are right sherri is one of the best i have ever met as most of the others are great people on that site 1 thing i have learned and as i'm sure you can tell by my typing the things you read can be taken way out of context and so on that is why i request a call or email me your # but this is sad how vehicle lovers can get in an uproar over a peice of plastic and please stop flaunting such a respected flag in a B/S topic

[gtphelps]

george you are right sherri is one of the best i have ever met as most of the others are great people on that site 1 thing i have learned and as i'm sure you can tell by my typing the things you read can be taken way out of context and so on that is why i request a call or email me your # but this is sad how vehicle lovers can get in an uproar over a peice of plastic and please stop flaunting such a respected flag in a B/S topic






This topic has gone way out of context. But it all fairness I earned the right to bear that flag, hell i even have it tattoo'd on me, and never even mentioned it until my values as an american were drug into it. And even then I only used it for refrence to my feelings. But I will call you tomorrow, right now I have a bunch of VC members at my house and I have to feed them.

[gtphelps]

I was just on FTW again tonight. Which I tried to sign up with but for some reason can't. And all I can say is how sad it is to have to resort to name calling when someone can't respond, and not be able to discuss this as adults. I feel sorry for the ones who have contacted me off this forum, the rest are giving you a poor image. To the ones who extended thier hands to end the bickering, Thank you and I hope to meet you at a show sometime. To the rest...........

[oldschool1]

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[27 CAR CARE]

I Think This Has Gone On Long Enough!!!!!!!!
It Is Great How The 2 Clubs Are Standing Up For What They Believe But I Think It Is Time To Stop And Burry The Thread!!!!!!

[gtphelps]

Ok This is gtphelps Wife and i had to put my 2 cents in because well thats just me


I have to say this thread started with a suggestion for Carlilse to do something new. i have heard many different people complain about the way the classes were broke out and other things as well. Carlilse wants to be right up there with shows like Heatwave and some of the other big shows then they need to start looking at different avenues to do that. Every year as a club we bring more and more people as I am sure you guys do to. Our point is not even to win any kind of award because we might not be the biggest (traditional club) that attends. Our point is to have Carlilse look at things in a broader light. I am truely sorry to see a suggestion get so out of hand and see people with the same love for the sport get so nasty as you have stated for a peice of plastic. Please take a moment to sit back and look at this thread for what it was meant to be a suggestion

[bigjsp]

There aren't any worthy minitruck clubs I have seen in my area - but there is a PT cruisers club. Hey those guys are crazy. they meet at a restaurant once a month then go to another place for ICECREAM,............ WOOOOT!

Guess thats why I'm on a forum.

While I can see both sides, not sure how Carlisle productions would classify "face to face club with a forum" vs "forum, that has face to face meetings.... once a year @ Carlisle". I think they have enough issues with truck classifications.



BTW the site owner and top posters #1,3,4,5,6,11,15,16,17,18,19,22 plus another several more members in the top 100 were all in attendence, So the anyone with a computor statement is true, but not real in our case. We just eventually want recognition as a group so we can park together.



BRILLIANT IDEA, LOL - Maybe the participation "trophy" for the forum clubs could just be a certificate of achievement that we could post a link to, because who would take ownership of a physical trophy.

[BeckyH]

Thanks for the comments about the club participation trophy. As bigjsp said, it would be hard to make the distinction between clubs that meet in person and those that meet online. Almost every club has a Web site, and a lot of people are too busy to physically attend meetings.
Our event planners will look at your suggestions and see if any changes should be made.
Thanks again for continuing to share your feelings with each other and our staff.
Becky Hein
Communications Specialist
Carlisle Events

[oldschool1]

Thanks for the comments about the club participation trophy.
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Thanks for the public reply.